Giancarlo's injury isn't just a disaster for this year's play-off hopes -- it's an indication of the worsening disasters that await Marlins fans for the next decade.
As I have noted before, Stanton is often a wounded warrior. Last October, I wrote a post based on the Woody Allen comment: "Eighty percent of success is showing up." Stanton was showing up for work only 75 percent of the time. Pujols in his first years, by contrast, was playing 95 percent of the time.
Now that Stanton's once again done for the year, we can see that he's averaging 118 games for his six full seasons -- or 73 percent of games played. (All figures in this rant based on numbers from baseball-reference.com.)
Stanton Contract + Attendance =
Crushing Numbers
But another figure is just as depressing.
Here's the background: The Marlins have been playing exciting baseball up to this point, even after losing the league's batting average leader of 2015, Dee Gordon, for a lengthy stretch. In the middle of August, they're still in serious contention.
And yet... yet ... they are drawing a mere 21,753 fans per game (through Aug. 14), down about 500 from the average of 22,220 at this point last year, when the team was pretty damn hopeless.
Miami is just a crummy sports town, except when a championship is on the line, while people in places like Denver and Chicago get much larger, devoted attendance for all sports, even when the teams are dogs. (And I suspect the attendance is inflated with Chevron discounts, free senior Thursdays and those mid-week day camp games that are listed as 25,000-30,000 but those kids are getting in with group discounts meaning that Marlins average price of ticket-sold is much lower than many other teams.)
Loria Counting on Attendance Boost
Here's why this attendance is particularly devastating: Loria, in his infinite wisdom, back-loaded Stanton's contract -- cheap years at the beginning, expensive at the end. Stanton received $6.5 million to start his $325 million contract, $9 million this year and $14.5 million next year. For the decade starting in 2018, he will be receiving $25 million to $32 million a year.
Loria's theory is that the cheaper years at first would allow the team to build a solid contender around Stanton, creating excitement leading to soaring attendance that would pay for the expensive years later on.
So not only is Stanton missing a ton of playing time, but attendance isn't soaring -- meaning that in the years ahead, the Marlins won't have the big bucks to build a team and may have to scrimp on other players in order to keep fulfilling the huge Stanton contract.
As long as I'm ranting... Latos et al.
I should step back to say the organization has made some good moves. Prado is decent, though he doesn't provide the power that championship teams ordinarily have at third base. Dee Gordon had one great year, although long term, I'll still not sure how valuable he will be. I like Mattingly as a manager, with plenty of good ideas, such as finding lead-off hitters while Gordon was out. BUT ... BUT ...
Marlins are paying Wei-Yin Chen $12.5 million this year, $15.5 million next year. So far, he's 5-4, 4.99 and injured.
The minor league cupboard is close to bare. The big San Diego trade was pretty much a disaster, and I (along with many fans) don't have much confidence in the Marlins executives making the right decisions.
Just one example: While the Marlins struggle to find starting pitching, they're off to Cincinnati, where on Tuesday they will be facing Anthony DeSclafani, 6-1, 3.11 ERA, earning $540,000 this year.
You remember that December 2014 trade? We gave up DeSclafani and a minor leaguer for Mat Latos, who was such a disaster with his $9.4 million contract we dumped him to the Dodgers last year in mid-season.
And who will be the Marlins pitcher facing DeSclafani? As of Monday morning, it's TBA.
Monday, August 15, 2016
Thursday, January 7, 2016
Mike Piazza -- What a Deal
In case you're wondering, I looked it up:
We got Wilson, we gave up Bonilla, Eisenreich, Johnson and Sheffield.
But I didn't look far enough. My buddy Sam adds this: "Those deals weren't a complete waste. We traded Yarnall to the Yankees for Mike Lowell. We traded Preston Wilson to the Rockies for Juan Pierre and Mike Hampton. We later traded Hampton to the Braves for Tim Spooneybarger, who got hurt and never did much for the Marlins but at least he had a great name."
- May 14, 1998: Traded by the Los Angeles Dodgers with Todd Zeile to the Florida Marlins for Manuel Barrios, Bobby Bonilla, Jim Eisenreich, Charles Johnson and Gary Sheffield.
- May 22, 1998: Traded by the Florida Marlins to the New York Mets for Geoff Goetz (minors), Preston Wilson and Ed Yarnall.
We got Wilson, we gave up Bonilla, Eisenreich, Johnson and Sheffield.
But I didn't look far enough. My buddy Sam adds this: "Those deals weren't a complete waste. We traded Yarnall to the Yankees for Mike Lowell. We traded Preston Wilson to the Rockies for Juan Pierre and Mike Hampton. We later traded Hampton to the Braves for Tim Spooneybarger, who got hurt and never did much for the Marlins but at least he had a great name."
Wednesday, November 4, 2015
Royals vs. Marlins -- Sad Comparison 2
In an excellent analysis, the Los Angeles Times has shown how a small-market team like the Royals could build a national champion.
There were a lot of smart moves, but at the core was the draft.
From 2005 through 2008, the first picks of the Royals were outfielder Alex Gordon, pitcher Luke Hochevar, 3B Moustakas and 1B Hosmer.
The Marlins had a bunch of first round picks during those years for various reasons involving free agent compensation (I think). They were Chris Volstad, Aaron Thompson, Jacob Marceaux, Ryan Tucker and Sean West (2005), Brett Sinkbeil and Chris Coghlan (2006), Matt Dominguez (2007) and Kyle Skipworth 2008.
You might recall you saw Coghlan in the playoffs with the Cubs. What did the Marlins get in return for that trade? Well, there wasn't a trade. The Marlins granted him free agency in 2013.
Now, the LA Times noted that the Royals picks were at the very top of the draft, because the Royals had finished at the bottom the year before. The Marlins highest pick was Skipworth, sixth overall in 2008, a high school catcher that received a $3.2 million signing bonus.
Skipworth's only appearance in the Show was in 2013 -- when he made four plate appearances with the Marlins, getting one walk and no hits. After the 2014 season, he became a minor league free agent. He was signed by the Reds. During 2015, he struggled at AAA and AA.
In eight minor league seasons, he batted .214 with a total of 93 HR.
The Royals also did some smart things. In the Latin American signings, they got catcher Perez, the World Series MVP, for 65,000 pitcher Yordano Ventura for $27,000.
After their World Series lost in 2014, the Royals decided they couldn't afford to retain pitcher James Shields, designated hitter Billy Butler and outfielder Nori Aoki. They went into the free agent market to get Edinson Volquez, Kendrys Morales and Alex Rios as replacements. Total cost: $48 million, same as the Dodgers spent on Brandon McCarthy, the LA Times reported.
Meanwhile, the Marlins signed free agent Michael Morse for $16 million for two years. He didn't make it to the end of the season.
When the Royals had starting pitching woes, they traded three young pitchers for Johnny Cueto, who threw a WS shutout. The Marlins sent a young prospect to the Reds for Latos, who also didn't make it to the end of the season.
There were a lot of smart moves, but at the core was the draft.
From 2005 through 2008, the first picks of the Royals were outfielder Alex Gordon, pitcher Luke Hochevar, 3B Moustakas and 1B Hosmer.
The Marlins had a bunch of first round picks during those years for various reasons involving free agent compensation (I think). They were Chris Volstad, Aaron Thompson, Jacob Marceaux, Ryan Tucker and Sean West (2005), Brett Sinkbeil and Chris Coghlan (2006), Matt Dominguez (2007) and Kyle Skipworth 2008.
You might recall you saw Coghlan in the playoffs with the Cubs. What did the Marlins get in return for that trade? Well, there wasn't a trade. The Marlins granted him free agency in 2013.
Now, the LA Times noted that the Royals picks were at the very top of the draft, because the Royals had finished at the bottom the year before. The Marlins highest pick was Skipworth, sixth overall in 2008, a high school catcher that received a $3.2 million signing bonus.
Skipworth's only appearance in the Show was in 2013 -- when he made four plate appearances with the Marlins, getting one walk and no hits. After the 2014 season, he became a minor league free agent. He was signed by the Reds. During 2015, he struggled at AAA and AA.
In eight minor league seasons, he batted .214 with a total of 93 HR.
The Royals also did some smart things. In the Latin American signings, they got catcher Perez, the World Series MVP, for 65,000 pitcher Yordano Ventura for $27,000.
After their World Series lost in 2014, the Royals decided they couldn't afford to retain pitcher James Shields, designated hitter Billy Butler and outfielder Nori Aoki. They went into the free agent market to get Edinson Volquez, Kendrys Morales and Alex Rios as replacements. Total cost: $48 million, same as the Dodgers spent on Brandon McCarthy, the LA Times reported.
Meanwhile, the Marlins signed free agent Michael Morse for $16 million for two years. He didn't make it to the end of the season.
When the Royals had starting pitching woes, they traded three young pitchers for Johnny Cueto, who threw a WS shutout. The Marlins sent a young prospect to the Reds for Latos, who also didn't make it to the end of the season.
Friday, October 30, 2015
Mets vs. Marlins -- a Sad Comparison
They both used to be
losers in the NL East. Now one of them is still a loser …
During the post-season,
I've been gathering data.
Of the top eight batters and four starters:
The Mets have built their
team like this: 7 from drafts, one from the amateur free agent
(meaning basically smart draft option), three trades and one free
agent.
The Marlins have six from
the draft (one being Rule 5: Bour), five from trades and 1 amateur free agent.
I was expecting that I'd
see the Mets with a lot more draft picks, but now let's break it
down.
First of all, what didn't
we see? The Marlins wasted money on two free agents – Salty at
catcher and Morse at 1B – that weren't part of the end-of-year
roster I'm using for this comparison.
What's more, the Marlins dumped two young pitchers –
Andrew Heaney, 24, who ended up in Anaheim 6-4 3.49, and Anthony
DeSclafani, 25, with the Reds 9-13 4.05.For these two young two
young pitchers we got two old pitchers – now gone – and Dee
Gordon, an All-Star second baseman.
The rumblings were that
DeSclafani and Heaney in brief appearances with Marlins in 2014
hadn't been as good as hoped, and so they were better off dumped. So
...maybe the drafting folks weren't as good as they should have been.
As the Marlins give away young
pitchers, what did the Mets do? They dumped a successful older
pitcher, Dickey, and picked up a super young pitcher, Syndergaard, as
well as a young starting catcher, d'Arneau.
And this
year, in a last-minute deal that sent Mets
prospects soaring, they obtained Yoenis Cespedes from the Tigers for
two young pitching prospects. Imagine: They have four young fabulous
pitchers in their rotation and they still had so much depth in the
farm system that they could give up two more pitchers for a
(temporary?) super-star.
Another contrast that
with the Marlins: Two young pitchers Eovaldi (14-3, 4.03) and German
(injured), a super prospect in minors, were traded for Prado.
Free agents: The Mets
picked up Granderson, a great addition; the Marlins picked up guys
like Salty who didn't even make it to the end of the season.
Quality drafting: Mets
pitchers Harvey, deGrom and Matz. Marlins drafted pitchers:
Fernandez, Koehler. Think Mets would trade one of those guys for
Koehler, who's in the mix only because the Marlins dumped other
pitchers?
Marlins management could say the team would have done better if Stanton wasn't injured, but in fact their play improved in last part of season without him. AND Wright, the Met's traditional star, missed a lot of the season with a gimpy back.
Marlins management could say the team would have done better if Stanton wasn't injured, but in fact their play improved in last part of season without him. AND Wright, the Met's traditional star, missed a lot of the season with a gimpy back.
"Show Me the Money"
So let's look at the
money. At start of season, the Mets were spending $101 million on
payroll versus Marlins $68 million.
The Marlins have less to
spend because they get less money from fans. The Mets TV contract
must be a ton larger than the Marlins (nothing can be done about
that). The Mets had attendance of 2.6 milion in 2015, compared to 1.7
million for the Marlins. This translates into less money.
How much less. On the
web, you'll see that the average Met ticket price is $25.30 versus
the Marlins $28.96.
But I'm thinking that
this must be list price – the way that hospitals have list prices
that nobody pays.
In fact, I myself attended eight games at an
average cost of $12.50, because half the games I got in free as an
old fart. I'll bet the Mets don't give old farts free admission.
Loudly Ticking Time Bomb: Stanton
Now, let's get to the
worst part. There's a loudly ticking time bomb. The Marlins – and
Stanton – agreed to backload the $325 million contract. This year,
he was paid a mere $6.5 million – with the idea that front office
would have enough money to start building a winner, drawing fans to
the ballpark, creating more revenue, for better ball players, etc.
So
by going after Latos and Morse et al, they've basically blown a year.
Next year, Stanton costs
$9 million, according a Forbes report. In 2017, it's $14.5 million
and by 2018, it's up to $25 million.
The clock is certainly
ticking on building a winner. Forbes noted earlier this year: “Of
the past 46 major league playoff teams, only nine spent more than 17
percent of their payroll on a single player. Stanton will currently
eclipse those percentages.”You do the math.
Saturday, October 17, 2015
The Woody Allen Index of the Marlins.
Woody Allen once said: "Eighty percent of success is showing up."
With that in mind, I measured Marlins for 2015 who kept showing up and performing: Total bases, walks, net stealing (steals minus caught stealing times 2). I'll call this index Total Total Bases.
Interesting that Bour and Realmuto ranked well even though they weren't starters when the year began. I wish Prado had more power, but he consistently produced. Yellich was coming on strong at the end. I always thought Hechavarria's high batting average should have moved him up in the batting order, but he doesn't walk and he doesn't steal. Dietrich wasn't on the team till near the end of the season, but he almost as well as Suzuki. And Ozuna shouldn't steal.
Note: Stanton has been in the lineup about 75 percent of the time in his first full years. Pujols played in 95 percent-plus during his first years.
With that in mind, I measured Marlins for 2015 who kept showing up and performing: Total bases, walks, net stealing (steals minus caught stealing times 2). I'll call this index Total Total Bases.
| Player | TB | BB | Net Stealing | Total Total Bases | |
| Gordon, D | 257 | 25 | 18 | 300 | |
| Yelich, C | 198 | 47 | 6 | 251 | |
| Prado, M | 197 | 37 | 1 | 235 | |
| Bour, J | 196 | 34 | 0 | 230 | |
| Realmuto, J | 179 | 31 | 0 | 210 | |
| Ozuna, M | 176 | 31 | -4 | 203 | |
| Stanton, G | 169 | 34 | 0 | 203 | |
| Hechavarria, | 176 | 23 | 3 | 202 | |
| Suzuki, I | 111 | 34 | 1 | 146 | |
| Dietrich, D | 114 | 23 | -4 | 133 |
Interesting that Bour and Realmuto ranked well even though they weren't starters when the year began. I wish Prado had more power, but he consistently produced. Yellich was coming on strong at the end. I always thought Hechavarria's high batting average should have moved him up in the batting order, but he doesn't walk and he doesn't steal. Dietrich wasn't on the team till near the end of the season, but he almost as well as Suzuki. And Ozuna shouldn't steal.
Note: Stanton has been in the lineup about 75 percent of the time in his first full years. Pujols played in 95 percent-plus during his first years.
Saturday, June 27, 2015
Friday, June 26, 2015
All Hail the Cardinals
Ah, man, do the Cardinals look like a great organization.
I went to Thursday night's game with a son -- and saw yet another humiliating loss. The same old story: no offense, mediocre pitching.
The economics: I got in free on old fart's Thursday, but paid $32 for son's ticket. We each probably spent about $25 on concessions, so Loria plucked $82 from my wallet (and an apartment guy got another $10 for parking).
Dan Jennings is now 14-22, according to Baseball Reference, compared to Redmond's 16-22 to start the season.
The pitching is likely to get better pretty quick with Jose returning, but (as I feared before the season began) the offense is basically Stanton and nothing else.
Look at those Cards: No. 2 in attendance (with 43,000 a game), compared to Marlins' 28th (with 21,000 -- a figure I'm certain is inflated with squirrelly accounting). And I'll bet the Cards price per ticket is far higher than Marlins.
The Cards have great fan support -- and a wonderful stadium that's right downtown, near public transit, freeways and the river. Last year, visiting St. Louis, we had a short stroll from our hotel to the ballpark. Contrast that with Marlins Park, a thoroughly pleasant place that was dumped in Little Havana, far from downtown, public transit, hotels.
At 48-24, the Cards have by far the best record right now in MLB. Yet, according to Deadspin.com, their $120 million payroll is exceeded by 10 other teams. Translation: Smart management.
Deadspin has Marlins last at $68 million. Remember: Stanton's big payday years are a ways off.
At the beginning of the season, Fangraphs gave the Marlins a 27 percent chance of making the playoffs. Now it's 3 percent.
I went to Thursday night's game with a son -- and saw yet another humiliating loss. The same old story: no offense, mediocre pitching.
The economics: I got in free on old fart's Thursday, but paid $32 for son's ticket. We each probably spent about $25 on concessions, so Loria plucked $82 from my wallet (and an apartment guy got another $10 for parking).
Dan Jennings is now 14-22, according to Baseball Reference, compared to Redmond's 16-22 to start the season.
The pitching is likely to get better pretty quick with Jose returning, but (as I feared before the season began) the offense is basically Stanton and nothing else.
Look at those Cards: No. 2 in attendance (with 43,000 a game), compared to Marlins' 28th (with 21,000 -- a figure I'm certain is inflated with squirrelly accounting). And I'll bet the Cards price per ticket is far higher than Marlins.
The Cards have great fan support -- and a wonderful stadium that's right downtown, near public transit, freeways and the river. Last year, visiting St. Louis, we had a short stroll from our hotel to the ballpark. Contrast that with Marlins Park, a thoroughly pleasant place that was dumped in Little Havana, far from downtown, public transit, hotels.
At 48-24, the Cards have by far the best record right now in MLB. Yet, according to Deadspin.com, their $120 million payroll is exceeded by 10 other teams. Translation: Smart management.
Deadspin has Marlins last at $68 million. Remember: Stanton's big payday years are a ways off.
At the beginning of the season, Fangraphs gave the Marlins a 27 percent chance of making the playoffs. Now it's 3 percent.
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